Beginnings Show with Prageet Harris

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Discover secrets and stories you’ve never heard before, plus personal histories rarely shared before now. There is no channelling, just casual conversation where anything goes. Filmed in front of a live studio audience in Marina Del Rey, California, this 90-minute Beginnings show explores Prageet Harris’ amazingly synchronistic back-story and how he and Lee met just after 2012.

The Stargate Experience

Prageet Harris is an English, internationally known channel who has assisted people with spiritual growth for thirty years. He began to channel his guide Alcazar in 1888. Then in 1989, Alcazar channeled the design of the Stargate, a sacred-geometrical structure that creates a powerful, multi-dimensional energy field – an energy that can take participants into a deep meditative state within moments. Learn more about the Stargate Experience here.

Lee Carroll:

Welcome everyone.

I have a friend sitting next to me, in a moment I'm going to introduce him. His name is Prageet Harris, and if you have not heard of Prageet Harris and Stargate, I guarantee you over these next years you will. This is not new. Prageet has been doing this energy work as long as I have. In fact, he built this thing that is next to me, which we're going to talk about the same year that I started channeling and that was around 1989.

This is Stargate, and we're going to talk about what it is, why it's here, the energy of it, and how he put this together, how he channeled it. Prageet has been with me all over the world. He is an energy worker known, especially for these beautiful meditations that he does, the healings that have come literally out of his work and so much more. You're going to hear his beginnings. We met a little past 2012; I think. We were in Bulgaria together and then Israel and. We've seen the world together. I know who this is, who I am presenting to you. We will not channel today. There's two channellers here, but we will not do that. That's not why we're here.

Prageet Harris:

Thank you.

Lee Carroll:

The thing that is amazing, and the thing we're going to hear from Prageet here as we go, this is a life that was filled with synchronicity. In fact, more synchronicity than I have ever heard from anyone ever. I know a lot of presenters, a lot! Prageet has had the most astonishing things happen to him and even that guides his life. We're going to start easy. Prageet, tell us a bit about your early years.

 

Prageet Harris:

Well, I just finished school and my dad said to me, "Well, now you've got to get a job." I was like, "What? Oh, my goodness." It was a shock. I guess I knew it was coming, but when he said, "You've got to get a job now." I was like terrified. And I did not know what I wanted to do. He kept on saying it every day, "Have you decided what you're going to do?" In the end, something my mother came up with, "well, you could be a police officer." So I said, "Okay."

I always wanted to go up to London. So we went up to see if I could become a London police officer. It was interesting because I got there and I saw these other candidates and I thought, "Oh, gee. I don't think I want to hang out with this lot." Then I was invited into the interview and the guy with all the stuff on his head, he said, "We really want you." He was so excited, and he was so determined to have me. It totally turned me off. "There's no way I'm going to be a police officer." Which upset my father to no end.

So, back to the drawing board. I just really didn't know what to do. The thing was, I realized I didn't want to work. The more I thought about it... It's true. Then I got this bright inspiration that, "Well, teachers don't work very much. They have months and months of holidays. Okay, I'll be a teacher."

Lee Carroll:

Good call.

Prageet Harris:

So it was getting very late to sign up, but I wanted to go to London. I found this college in Chelsea, which was actually the place where you could see the Rolling Stones or the Beatles and King's Road. It's a very amazing place to be. So I went to this college on King's Road, not really to learn how to teach, but to see if I could see some stars.

Lee Carroll:

What happened? You had a story about something had happened in a playground when you were being interviewed or something like that.

Prageet Harris:

Well, eventually I actually started teaching. So I worked in a school in the east end of London, which was a kind of tough area. After working there for a year, the headteacher said to me, "Will you do a special group?" They were something that they were creating in London in a few schools. It's what you called special ed now. But that wasn't invented back then. So I was leading this special ed class, and it was the end of the first year, and the head minister said, "Oh, that worked so well. I want you to have twice as many people for half as long." And it was like, "Hmm, that isn't going to work." Another teacher in the school had seen what I was doing, and he actually recommended me to a private school where they wanted me to come and do the same thing.

So I went along and the headteacher of the school said, "Well, the job's yours. We've got to go through the interviewing process, but it's yours. Why don't you just look around the school?" So I was looking around this very expensive private school where they had psychiatrists and psychologists. It was in the playtime, and a little girl fell off a swing and there was a psychologist standing there looking at this kid crying on the ground and didn't do anything. So I went over and picked her up and it was like, "If these guys are going to be advising me. I will not work in this school." So I didn't want to do it. I was really going backwards and forwards. Then the morning of the sham interview, I called the school up and said, "I'm sorry, I can't do it."

Lee Carroll:

It's going to lead to something else.

Prageet Harris:

It did very quickly.

Lee Carroll:

It's going to start with some synchronicities that are just astonishing. This is one of the biggest... Let's go to the next picture. We have you one more time. I want to... This would be... Yeah, there we are. This is, I think 1972. We may skip around a little, but it was 1972 or 1974 that you heard about something very special. It's this Indian man.

Prageet Harris:

It was around that time. Actually, one teacher that was doing the special ed in another school told me about a friend of hers who'd gone to India and he'd come back wearing all these orange clothes, and he was a totally different person. It kind of intrigued me. They had a center in London, and I went along to this meditation center and did a meditation in the evening. Then at the end of the evening, people were going home and the organizer there said, "Well, if you'd like, you can listen to Bhagwan..." His name was back then. "... you can listen to Bhagwan. We've got a tape and we're going to put a tape on." So a couple of us stayed there and everybody left and they said, "Just lock the door when you leave." I was like, "Whoa, this is very unusual for being in the middle of a city."

I listened to that tape and I couldn't believe it because this guy was addressing every single problem I was experiencing in my life. It was all about relationships and the inability to talk and share and know what your feelings are. I can't remember what the other thing... Oh, relationship with parents and work. So it was amazing. He just went through the whole tape was as if he made it for me. So I thought, "Hey, I've got to check this guy out."

Lee Carroll:

Is this where you became what I'll call a devotee? Or did that come after that?

Prageet Harris:

Well, they invited you to do a week long meditation process, go there every day and experience it. It was amazing. I could feel something changing already. My life was lightening up.

Lee Carroll:

This is going to be your... I will call it the first inkling of a connection with India.

Prageet Harris:

Absolutely. Yeah.

Lee Carroll:

Now, here is a man who's 23 years old at the time and he decides he's going to go to India and you want to go see Osho there. You want to do whatever it is, but you've got to get to India.

Let me just tell a little about what I know. You purchased a bus, is that right? With some others-

Prageet Harris:

Two buses.

It started out to be 20 of us, but then many people heard about it, so I had to buy a second bus. Yeah.

Lee Carroll:

Okay. You said, "Well, we're going to India." Did you ever wonder if you could drive there from England?

Prageet Harris:

Apart from getting across the channel, I knew we could. But it took much longer than we thought.

Lee Carroll:

So this is the story that begins that really reveals synchronicity, being at the right place at the right time and there's numbers of them. Because I've interviewed you and I'm just going to throw you some countries and a couple of things and you tell a story. Because first, we know there's a lot more than this. Yugoslavia.

Prageet Harris:

Yugoslavia. Well, we'd started off on our journey. We've gone across on a ferry into France and we were heading roughly toward India. I mean, back then you didn't have GPS, back then you had a paper map and if you had a map of a country, most of the towns weren't even on it. So we were driving through Yugoslavia trying to get across the country and we'd lost the other bus. So this was just the bus that I was driving and we were driving through a country road, totally not knowing where we were. There was this old guy with a pickaxe or something in the field and he looked like he was about 90. So we stopped, and he came over and we were asking him, how do we get to the next town? But he couldn't understand. But he got on his bicycle and said, "Follow me." So he went riding off on his bicycle and we were driving behind him and he took us to the farmhouse and it was actually a big family house. The problem was that the driveway up to it was very narrow.

So actually two of them were shaking the post and pulling it out so that we could have our bus up there. They were very poor, but they opened up their entire farm to us and they cooked food for us and they killed a couple of chickens for us. They brought out wine and drinks and we had an enormous party there with 20 of us and probably about 10 or 12 of them, an incredible evening. It was so beautiful, so touching and we couldn't talk to each other. It was amazing.

Lee Carroll:

This is not the first time this has happened where you've interfaced with people who didn't speak your language and yet you just felt compassion for one another.

Prageet Harris:

Yeah.

Lee Carroll:

I love that.

Lee Carroll:

Turn the page and a whole different energy. Eastern Turkey.

Prageet Harris:

Eastern Turkey. Well, we found our way back onto the main road, which is actually not a road. It's just dirt most of the time. In Istanbul, it was taking much longer than we thought it was going to take. So we had a meeting because some of us were in a rush to get to India, which meant that we had to get to the border between Pakistan and India, the pass, which gets snows in at winter. So we were in a rush to get there in time to get through. The other bus decided they wanted to go slowly and spend more time. So I shot off on this first bus and it was nighttime. We were driving along this dirt road, the main highway which is just wide enough for two trucks to pass and we were told, "Whatever you do, don't stop." Because there were warring tribes and all kinds of violence and things going on. Well, we got I don't know how far out of Istanbul but it was really dark and then there was this roadblock and it was the army.

So we had to stop. We had no choice and maybe half a dozen of these army guys very rough came onto the bus, pushing their way on, groping at the women and so on. It was very scary but one guy was very smart and he called the sergeant, the one that was kind of in charge of this band. He made this big thing, "Come to the back of the bus, I've got something for you." He gave him this cassette player and made a big show of giving it to him. And he felt very important, and he shooed his men off the bus. He couldn't have been able to use it, but I don't think he realized it, but it allowed us to carry on.

Lee Carroll:

All right. You had a snowstorm in Eastern Turkey too? Tell me about the snowstorm.

Prageet Harris:

Well, the mountain range Eastern Turkey and we were driving along and then suddenly this intense blizzard, I could hardly see. So I was driving along like this and the back of the bus kept on sliding. We had chains, but we hadn't put them on and by then it was like we then stopped because the road was dropping off on either side. So I was like this and I was like really, and people were there standing alongside me trying to help me see where the road was going. This went on for, I don't know, eternity it seemed, but several hours and then finally there was this tiny little truck stop cafe and we pulled into that and we were totally relaxing and we ran in and drank coffee. Actually, we really weren't sure whether we were going to carry on and the weather was so bad and we thought we can't make this journey. In the end we decided okay, we'll decide in the morning and in the morning it's bright and clear, blue sky and sunny and it was, "Okay, we're going to carry on."

So we all loaded into the bus and the bus wouldn't start and I was trying and trying and nothing was happening and one trucker came over and he said, "You'll never get it started." We said, "Well, why not?" He said, "Well, it's below zero. It's been cold all night. The diesel in your tank has frozen, it turns into a jelly and so you can't do it." We thought, "What are we going to do? We're stuck on the side of a mountain. It's cold all the time." He said, "What you have to do is light a fire under this fuel tank. Not only that, get a rag, dip it in the diesel, light it on a stick and go all the way along the fuel lines to the engine." So we were there on the side of the mountain with black smoke pouring out, all the truckers laughing at us.

But it was great because they actually came over and they told us stories and they said, "This is a bunch of English trucks almost at the top of the mountain and they've been there for several days because they can't get over. The road is so bad, they actually can't get over and down the other side." So eventually we got the thing going.

So we had a gas stove, hot water and a fantastic kitchen, gas oven and we would bake bread every night so we had fresh bread in the morning. So as we drove past these truckers, I realized, wow, those guys have been stuck there because of the snow.

I actually stopped, and I backed a few 100 yards down the side of the mountain and pulled in alongside them and said, "Hey. You guys want some bacon and eggs? A real English breakfast." Of course, they were all very much up to it and they came in and we gave them a substantial breakfast and tea and coffee and all that kind of thing. One guy said, "You've got a very special bus here." I said, "Well, what do you mean?" He said, "It's a Volvo and the engine in it is unique and I drive Volvos. I know all about it." He said, "Do you think I could look at the engine?" I thought, "It's kind of a weird thing, but yeah, why not?" He had to actually take this great big canopy off alongside the driver's seat and he was pointing out, "Look, this is what's special about this bus." I did not know what it was, but he was describing it and it thrilled him to look at it. Then he said, "Oh, my goodness." Actually, he was a lot more expressive than that but he said...

Lee Carroll:

He said, wow?

Prageet Harris:

Yeah. "Oh, do you know you don't have any brake fluid and you have a leak in your brake fluid line?" It was like, "What?" He said, "Look, it's totally empty, and it's dripping out here." We were all in total shock because we were just about to go down the other side of the mountain.

Lee Carroll:

You would've driven off the mountain at that point in time.

Prageet Harris:

Oh, yeah.

Lee Carroll:

At that point in time, were you putting together any of the synchronicities that you were having.

Prageet Harris:

No, that was amazing.

Prageet Harris:

When we got to India, the road changed from being a dirt road to a nice tar road with a big welcome sign and the customs and that wonderful road ran out in about a 100 yards.

Lee Carroll:

And it became an Indian road? Yes.

Prageet Harris:

Not only that, there were elephants and camels and pushcarts and people with huge bundles on their backs and they were all going in all directions. There was no keep left. They were all going in all directions all over the place. Plus, about 200 people, from little kids to old adults trying to sell us all kinds of things, so it was utter chaos.

So you're arriving in India and you're on your way to Pune, is that right?

Prageet Harris:

Yeah.

Lee Carroll:

All right. What happened when you got there? I know you spent five years in India and they were a beautiful five years. Lots of things happened.

Prageet Harris:

Incredible, yeah.

Lee Carroll:

And here we're getting into the synchronicity again. Some of these stories are simply unbelievable.

Lee Carroll:

Stop saying that. It's all believable. And if you can expand your ability to believe in amazing things, more amazing things happen.

Lee Carroll:

I'll never say that again. Ever, ever, ever say 'unbelievable.'

We're skipping to 1983, and that finds you in Oregon. And you were there for four years?

Prageet Harris:

Yeah, three and a half.

Lee Carroll:

With Osho, I believe.

Prageet Harris:

It was actually very amazing, despite what the press will tell you. It was the most incredible experience.

All the stories about Oregon are about the antagonism between the locals and the Sannyasins and everybody knows about. But the whole point of the whole thing was meditation; becoming more aware, becoming more conscious, raising your vibration. And that was just incredible.

We had a city there with 1500 people living, working together, having so much fun. It was the most joyous time of my whole life. Absolutely.

Prageet Harris:

I mean, it's because of Osho that I'm here now.

Lee Carroll:

Yeah. I wish I had met him.

Lee Carroll:

And is Alcazar here yet? You've got to tell it; what happened there? How does this happen? The first experience with Alcazar?

Prageet Harris:

This is it, yeah. So, it was a Sunday meeting. I was exhausted, and my friend said, "Well, just lie down and we'll massage you."

So I was lying down on the living room floor with all these people massaging me, went into this beautiful space, really relaxed, totally out of it. And it was wonderful, and it was a kind of timeless.

And then at some point, somebody started to talk, and it wasn't so loud at first, but it got louder and stronger and more and more annoying. And in the end, I opened my eyes, and I realized it was me that was talking. My friends stopped massaging me and were looking at me. And when I opened my eyes, they said, "You were channeling." I said, "Nah."

It wasn't something that I'd planned to do or wanted to do.

Lee Carroll:

Yeah, I understand that fully.

So I want you to explain, from there to this picture of what looks like a Stargate on Haleakala. What's going on there?

Prageet Harris:

Okay. So I was very involved with the local community, and I met these two rather strange people who were walk-ins. And I was visiting one of them one day, and the other one came in and he said, "Prageet, my guides tell me they want you to build this doorway thing."

And he'd actually got a book, and he was showing me this picture in the book. And I said, "Okay, I'll make it. If that's the message, I'll see what happens."

And so that's the picture.

Prageet Harris:

So that's me in the red there. It's at the top of Haleakala in Maui. And I made it.

And then Alcazar talked about it. He said, "This is a challenge to you to build this, to see if this is what's going to happen."

If you will follow, to create something the mind says, oh, it's crazy.

Lee Carroll:

I'm interested; at that point in time, I'm interested. What did you think you were building?

Prageet Harris:

I didn't know. It was just pieces of metal.

And it had an energy, so it was a kind of interesting.

Lee Carroll:

Let's go to the next picture to show where this became to those who haven't seen this.

So this is a Stargate. It's probably the first one, would you say?

Prageet Harris:

One evening, I was standing on my balcony, and then Alcazar just downloaded this picture and said, "We want you to build this. It's called a Stargate. It's an interdimensional doorway. And we'll be working with you with it."

And I totally trusted him. I'd been working with him for about a year before that happened, and he was doing all kinds of individual sessions with people.

And it was an introduction, because at first, I didn't believe it and I didn't trust what was coming through. And so he said to people, "This is going to happen to you in two or three days, and when it does, call Prageet."

So I started getting these phone calls from people saying, "What Alcazar said has happened, it's happened." And then different people had very beautiful healing experiences.

And one thing, which I don't think I even mentioned to you, but I'm not sure; one day, somebody came for a session. I don't know who it was, how she found out about me. She came in, we were in the middle, and Alcazar was talking to her, and then she said, "Who's the Indian guy?"

And I stopped channeling, and I said, "What do you mean?" She said, "Who's the Indian guy standing behind you?" And I looked around and I couldn't see anything. And I said, "Well, what does he look like?" She described Osho. She said, "He's short, has these wonderful colorful robes on and the hat on his head."

And she said, "He's got a message for you." And I said, "Well, what is it?" And she said, "He wants you to carry on his work." And I said, "I can't do that. I can't. There's no way. I can't say I'm doing Osha's work." And that was my reaction.

Now looking back on it, absolutely, I'm doing his work. And so are hundreds of other people.

Lee Carroll:

You're an aspect of him.

Prageet Harris:

Exactly, yeah.

Prageet Harris:

My ego just jumped on it and thought, "I can't do that."

Lee Carroll:

Well, you've built many Stargates.

Prageet Harris:

Yeah. I did a lot of trainings for people. There's me making one actually out of copper. And that's in Telluride. I moved from Maui to Telluride at one point. And we actually did a one month-long workshop, which was really quite something.

Prageet Harris:

This is ... When Alcazar gave me this picture, I just tried to draw it. And of course, as you can see, it's nothing like what the Stargate looks like. I went up to Vancouver, and there was an architect there who offered to actually put it on a drawing.

But there's one thing about when he gave me this information, he said, "We want you to build it." I said, "Okay, I'll build it. What are all these angles and all the lengths of things?" And he said, "Just build it." And I said, "Well, yeah, I will, but I need something." And he said, "Just start and you'll remember."

It was amazing how I knew. I would get a tube and slide my hand along it, and then I'd get a buzz, and I'd cut it there. That's how I measured the length. And with the angles, I'd get two pieces, and I'd go like this and I'd get that buzz, and that's the angle. And so that's how we created this.

Lee Carroll:

Let's go to number 29. I'll show you the biggest Stargate so far that we have. And it's a picture of it standing in a hall.

Prageet Harris:

It's 10 and a half feet high, you can get about 20 people standing inside it. We set it up in a home on Mount Shasta.

Lee Carroll:

I don't remember how many of you remember Pyramid Power in the sixties and all these things, where you could keep fruit fresh and razor blades sharp and all that under pyramids. We all laughed at that. And there were many people who proved it, which didn't seem to matter.

And then we got into later, and I realized, through the work of John [inaudible 01:09:51], who I support, that we have sacred geometry. There's power there. There's many things regarding shapes.

This is absolutely filled with sacred geometry. There's double tetrahedrons, there's ... Everywhere you look, you can see it. And that is what I was feeling. I know it.

And it's come together in just such a special way through this very special man as a part of his work. It's connected to him and his consciousness.

If you had one of these, if you could build one of these and you just put it some place without the consciousness of this man and also what he believes, it probably wouldn't work.

Prageet Harris:

No, it actually doesn't work. People have tried, yeah.

Lee Carroll:

The big thing here, and most people don't know this, you've now met to Alcazar. You've seen what that energy is. You've seen the message that was given to you about Osho. You built Stargate. In fact, you built several Stargates, and the next step is you're going to quit for 10 years. And you became a contractor, a general contractor for 10 years. What happened then?

Prageet Harris:

Well, I just finished a workshop. People would come from all over Europe to Maui. I did a lot of workshops in Maui. People would come from all over. And after the workshop, I just felt like I need to change. I didn't feel like I'd carry on doing what I was doing without being in integrity, so I stopped and became a contractor with no intention of carrying on with this. And it was, in fact, like you said, for 10 years.

One day there was this elderly couple, and I'd done a lot of work in their home. One day, she sat, and we were drinking a cup of tea with her. And she said, "I just had this session with this woman and she's really wonderful, and I think you should have a session with her too."

And I thought, this is weird. I fixed their toilets, and I built their deck. She's telling me to have a session? And so I said, "Who is this woman?" And she said, "Not only that, she has a special, so it's half price." So I said, "Okay..." Because this is a really lovely lady. So I said, "Okay."

So I called this woman, and she said, "Who are you? What do you do?" And I said, "Well, I'm a contractor." And she said, "No, no. What's your real work?" And I said, "Well, I used to do this thing with a Stargate." And she said, "That's it, Stargate. Come and see me." So I said, "Okay." And we actually met for lunch. She said, "I'm going to create some workshops in my home. Bring your Stargate and you have to do it again."

And so I did an evening in her home, and then she said, "Now you have to talk to this person, this person, and this person. Tell them I told you to do workshops in their place." And that's how it started again.

Lee Carroll:

I love the story because what we teach is that sometimes things have to be delayed, sometimes it's the right time at the right place. And it doesn't make sense to us at all. Because we think we're starting something and it's going well, then what's the next step? And then sometimes there's nothing. And I look at what you had and how long you waited, and the integrity issue was one reason that you stopped. You couldn't sustain whatever it was.

And you came back at the right time. Your whole life has been synchronicity: the right place at the right time. How did you find me? What happened?

Prageet Harris:

Actually, what happened was I'd started again and doing sessions. And one day out of the blue, Alcazar said to me, this was in 2012. Alcazar said to me, "Now you have to work with Kryon." And it's like, I can't just go up to this guy who I don't know and say, "My guide says I have to work with you now." No way I'm going to do that. And I said, "Well, okay, I'm up for it if it happens."

So my friend Reed went to Dr. Todd's Lemurian Choir up in Portland, I think it was. He was so touched by the energy and his experience, he said, "You've got to do this." So I signed up, and I did one down in the Bay Area. And because of that, there was an opportunity then to come to Maui for 2012.

So I went to Maui and brought the Stargate and set it up in the courtyard at the hotel. Many people were experiencing it. And this woman came up to me and said, "This is amazing. I'd really like to experience it more." So I invited her to Reed's home. He was living in Maui. We set it up, and we did a couple of evenings with her. She and her boyfriend were just so blown away by it. She said, "Well, I'm organizing some workshops in three different cities in Bulgaria. Would you like to come along?" And I said, "Yeah, that sounds great." And she said, "I'm organizing it for Lee Carroll." I just laughed. I said, "Okay, thank you, Alcazar."

Lee Carroll:

And the story I never told you. At that 2012 choir, there were 900 people, so we had to do it in two sections. I had a lot on my mind. And somebody came to me, I remember, and they said, "Did you know Stargate was here? Have you heard it?" "I said, I didn't know. Is it a movie?" And it was.

There was a TV show. That's where I first heard the validation about this guy, Prageet Harris. You don't freely talk about it, but you were occasionally seeing profound healings.

Prageet Harris:

Yeah, that started happening on our trip to Europe. The most striking was when I talk about it a lot because it affected me so much. I was doing a workshop in Germany, and this couple had come. The woman had an accident and was legally blind. In the Saturday lunchtime, I was walking along the corridor and she and her husband were coming the other way. As she was about to come up, Alcazar popped in. And he said to her, "When you are ready, you can see again." And I would've thought she'd be thrilled, but she totally freaked out. She started yelling at me, "The doctor said it's impossible. How can you be so cruel? That's not what somebody spiritual should be doing. And you should be ashamed of yourself." She went on and on and then walked away. And Alcazar said to her... What did he say? Do you remember?

Lee Carroll:

I think it was, "If you'll allow it, it will come."

Prageet Harris:

Something like that. I can't remember the exact words. It doesn't matter so much because the next lunchtime on the Sunday, she came up to me and said, "Oh yeah, I believe I can see again."

And so Alcazar came in again and he said, "Go lie down in the Stargate. Close your eyes. Stay in there over the lunch break. When we come back, we're going to do a meditation. Stay there. Don't get out. Don't open your eyes."

We did a meditation, nothing to do with her at all. And when the meditation was over, she opened her eyes and she could see. And then Alcazar said, "Well, now you can see about 80%. This is what you have to do to get the last 20%." And I don't know what it was, but then she and her husband then started to do energy work traveling around Germany and doing workshops themselves because they were so blown away by the experience.

Lee Carroll:

This is not something you expected.

Prageet Harris:

Well, the worst part was that Alcazar had come in, told this person who I didn't know that she could see again. And it's like this is going to be terrible. What if she doesn't? But I trusted him.

Lee Carroll:

Am I remembering, was there something that happened at Synchronicity in Ireland?

Prageet Harris:

Yeah, we'd done some workshops in Ireland. We were in Dublin at an old hotel. It was a very beautiful old hotel, and they still had the old-fashioned keys. Julieanne and I had a really nice apartment suite there.

I went off to buy some food at a supermarket a few hundred yards away. So I was there, and I was buying some avocados and stuff and putting things in my basket. Then suddenly Alcazar said, "Go back to the hotel." I said, "Okay, I'm nearly finished." "Go back now!" So I literally dropped the basket, ran back. I went to our room, the door was open, I pushed the door open. There were two guys standing there, looking shocked. And I said, "Who are you? What are you doing?" They pushed past me and ran out of the hotel.

There were computers in there. We'd been traveling all around Europe. We had our money box with a lot of cash in there. And Julieanne was in the bathroom. She didn't even know that they were there. I mean, that was really... Thank you.

Lee Carroll:

You teach that anybody can do this. If you allow it, you'll be taken care of. Whatever you want to say. That it is... That is how you live.

Prageet Harris:

It's following your intuition.

Lee Carroll:

It's plugging into a higher power who knows you, loves you, and wants you to be successful. And here I am teaching, but this is your life. This is what you've done.

Prageet Harris:

Alcazar would say that higher power is yourself.

Lee Carroll:

Yes.

Prageet Harris:

Your super consciousness, and that's a lot of his teaching.

Lee Carroll:

This is the only commercial we'll have. Somebody wanted to find your site. What would it be? Where do they go?

Prageet Harris:

The Stargate experience Academy

Lee Carroll:

You've got a few sites for different reasons, I know, and one often links to the other. Do you do things online as well? You have teachings?

Prageet Harris:

We do a lot of online stuff, yeah. We are actually planning to do a lot more so that we can support people consistently, not just when we come to their country.

Prageet Harris:

Julieanne is my partner with the Stargate, and she's been with us since 2012. What happened was...

Lee Carroll:

She's so smart, it's scary. And we're talking about chemistry, physics, mathematics, all of those things.

Prageet Harris:

Yeah, she's a genius. She joined me in 2012 after the experience. I was in Maui, working away. There was a lot of stuff to do. I was with Reed, and he said, "Well, why don't you get some help?" And Julieanne had actually volunteered to help a short while earlier. I was with Tiburon before I came to Maui, the big conference there, and she'd actually helped.

I think it was Christmas Eve. I called her and I said, "Do you want to come to Maui to help me with the computer work?" So she said yes, and she came. And the day that she came, the computer broke, irreparable. So I had to send away for another one. So we actually had several days just enjoying being in this beautiful spot of Maui.

And probably around the third or fourth day, Alcazar started channeling through her. And that was amazing because for me... We were actually in a sauna and suddenly I could feel Alcazar's energy, but it was outside rather than inside. And I said, "What's going on? This feels really strange. He's out with her." And she began speaking. So it happened just like that.

Lee Carroll:

And so you present together now, as often as you can. I know she has other things going on as well, but you're a wonderful pair.

The meditations are profound. The energy is amazing. Lovely.

Prageet, thank you. Do you have anything else to say before we close?

Prageet Harris:

I love you.

Lee Carroll:

Thank you.

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